Darth Muerte wrote:
Note:Swarm for the above leads more to trooper/mercenaries/commando sqauds and not the hoard of 3pt figure for activation and MTB.
See now that's where I think the discussion should go (and may well be what Motti was referring to). The real "problem" area with Yoda and Lancer are the trooper squads, which aren't really swarms in the traditional sense. Right now you just can't use 10-12 weak shooters outside of Vong and Republic and expect to compete with yoda and lancer. So you either accept that or you build in the best counters you can along with the shooters. Zuckuss is amazing against Yoda, and yes, you can get los on him quite easily with good tactics. Part of the deal is preparing.
Personally, I don't want to see a squad of 25 Aqualish Assassins, an IC and Han in ST dominating the game. The meta requiring a wider variety of figures is a good thing, not a bad thing. Top level play should require some level of creativity, and there are several ways to make a 7-8 Aqualish squad a serious threat with the IC. My example of using Luke CotF was ignored, but let's now consider it.
Here's the old build. Let's see what we can do with it now:
--Jarael the Ithorian Beast--
49 Luke Skywalker, Champion of the Force
25 Han Solo in Stormtrooper Armor
23 Jarael
11 Ithorian Commander
9 General Dodonna
8 Juno Eclipse
8 Obi-Wan Kenobi, Jedi Spirit
8 Wicket
49 Aqualish Assassin x7
9 Ugnaught Demolitionist x3
(199pts. 18 activations)
Juno protects you from the swap when played carefully, Jarael and Han can move out and kill scrubs early on. Spread out your AAs so Yoda can't kill em all in one swipe and force them to charge in, do minimal (and force the AoO's on Luke) for a while and you've got a good base.
Now to further tailor to the current meta, I would do the following.
--Jarael the Ithorian Beast 2010--
49 Luke Skywalker, Champion of the Force
27 Lobot
25 Han Solo in Stormtrooper Armor
23 Jarael
11 Ithorian Commander
27 Wookiee Commando x3
8 Juno Eclipse
21 Aqualish Assassin x3
9 Ugnaught Demolitionist x3
Preferred Reinforcements:
(Lobot) 13 Chagrian Mercenary Commander
(Lobot) 7 Aqualish Assassin
(200pts. 17 activations)
Same tactics as before, but now I have Chagrin, Luke hits Yoda for 80 on the AoO. Guess he won't do that again
And against a lancer, I go with an Ugo boss, and another ugg. Jarael and the SD can take out the lancer, as can Luke if he ends a round within 12 of it, and wins init.