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So let me get this straight Echo... Since something doesn't effect you and some other HOFers at the upper level tables of GenCon it becomes irrevelant, antiquated and not worth looking into??? Im sorry but that is what I get from your post.
I wish I still had Jim's quote about this in my signature. But no, of course that isn't what I said.
My point is twofold: One, this is not hurting competitive play. Mouse Droids do not dominate or warp the national meta. They might screw up your local meta, but we cannot make sweeping changes based on local metas. So there is no good argument to be made that Mouse Droids need to be changed because they screw up things like the championship, because tons of Mouse Droids haven't even made a splash at the championship in years. All kinds of weird things happen at the lower tables of the events like GenCon and changes shouldn't be made based on those, either.
The second point is, I think, the more important one: Something being an NPE to you or your group or a few people online does not create any kind of case to change something. People who hate Mouse Droids are very vocal, but that doesn't make them the majority, and it doesn't mean that something needs to be changed. I for one don't really care about Mouse Droids and don't feel that any kind of nerfing or errata or countering is necessary. They probably should have been designed differently, and Gha Nachkt shouldn't have ever been made, that's for sure, but it's not a big deal to me. You can't insist that something be changed because it pisses you off really bad. Otherwise, I'd be making threads to ban the Lancer, or make a piece that says "Enemies whose name contain Lancer gain Speed 4".
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Also what I'm getting from your post since I generally get mouse walls used against me I need to pack Lobot in every squad and just assume Im bringing in Momaw every game just in case I get mouse walled since I wont generally see all the mice before the lobot reserve phase of the game starting. Im sorry thats pretty crappy.
Or play some other counters. Play Arica, or a character with Strafe Attack, or Lightsaber Sweep, or Galloping Attack, or Bribery, or any area of effect ability. There are plenty of counters that don't involve Lobot. If you choose to play none, then yeah, you might have a problem with that. Otherwise that's like complaining about pieces with Parry by saying that it's pretty crappy that you have to play non-melee characters or direct damage, otherwise your damage output gets cut in half. Well, yeah, I guess that's true, but there are enough counters that you don't have much of an excuse to not play one. Maybe there aren't enough counters to Mouse Droids yet; maybe Mandos need a better Strafe Attack or Galloping Attack piece or an Accurate shooting piece with Furious assault to kill them. Making one of those pieces is the answer, though; not making an errata or creating a silver bullet piece.
If a silver bullet piece IS made, though, then this part of your post is absolutely, 100% unchanged, just replace "Momaw" or "Lobot" with the silver bullet. In fact, this is the core of the reason that I hate silver bullets. If there is a 6 point piece that says "Mouse Droids get bad thing X", then now I have to either play that piece or Lobot to bring it in. That's exactly your argument, and that's why it's a poor solution.
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Let me be a bit blunt.. the reason the MD never got fixed is because flat out by that point the DCI didn't care about SWM. They were about to announce the end of the game and at the time Magic was growing at a historic rate and needed all of their attention. They didn't have time for a game that was going to end soon anyway. So were going to not fix a problem because someone who didn't care about a problem didn't fix it several years ago.
For one thing, the floor rules have been written by volunteers and friends of the game for years, way before WotC dropped SWM. SSM was errata'd after the Mouse Droid was released, so obviously it was possible to get an errata in. Dean was the one who wrote the floor rules. You're right, they didn't care much about the game at that point; so if an errata had been made to say "Mouse Droids gain Diminuitive", DCI would have said "Yeah, whatever" and done it. DCI weren't the people writing floor rules or errata for this game.
Also, the game has been out of print and in our control for about 2 years now, and it hasn't changed over those 2 years, either. It's not like it hasn't been brought up before in that time. It's been brought up plenty. It wasn't changed any of those times, and I think there are even LESS compelling reasons to change it now.