billiv15 wrote:
thereisnotry wrote:
Personally, FWIW, I see no need for map rotation, though I wouldn't be dead-set against it either.
Meh. It's never been about need. It's about doing something more interesting.
Agreed. We don't NEED a map rotation, but it should spice the game up somewhat, especially now that we're getting good competitive maps much less often than in the past.
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Some of you seem to be stuck in the old mind set that once banned, always banned, always crap. That actually isn't exactly what Brad was doing with this new list. I personally don't agree with Muunalist being removed, or Jedi Temple and I think the arguments against both are crap. I also personally believe Nightclub should have been on the list the last 2 years. But those points are not the issue.
These maps aren't "gone forever", they are the beginning of a rotational system with the maps. Please make sure you've adequately wrapped your head around that before you post any more "my favorite map is gone this is garbage" stuff.
Is it? That wasn't made clear. Is this really the beginning of the rotation system? I know he mentioned it in the first post, but I'm not making that connection so clearly. Can someone please explain this a little better if true?
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Now to the idea that it should or shouldn't change July 1st. I am a full advocate for it changing after the regional season. You all are into using the sports analogies, so here's one for ya, Nascar. Biggest event of the year, starts the year off with whatever new rules they put in place.
Yeah, that's totally cool. Having new rules at the START of the year is fine! That's exactly how I think it should happen, in fact; change the map list in March, and then the regionals will be "start[ing] the year off with whatever new rules they put in place". I feel like I'm misinterpreting your analogy a bit here, though. Maybe it's because I don't watch NASCAR.
Either way, comparing analogies isn't really meaningful anyway.
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But ultimately, that's the wrong way to even think this through. We are in no way playing a "season" at all. Well maybe Tim and the Atlanta guys get close, but come on people. This is nothing like a season. Regionals are meant to be both a fun "qualifying" event for one person for a gencon badge. But they are in no way connected other than in your heads to Gencon.
I'll admit that maybe the "season" thought process isn't shared by everyone, but you likewise need to admit that it might be shared by most people, even if you don't share it. The argument of "people consider it a season!" countered by "nu-uh, no they don't!" won't get us anywhere. I'm willing to say that
in my experience people do consider GenCon and Regionals to be tied together very closely. The way I interpret other posts about things like the GenCon meta leads me to believe that lots of people share this belief. You might not share it, and you might think it's the wrong way to think about it, and that's fine; but that doesn't make you right.
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And finally we get to this. Brad has been given this power. He has repeatedly asked for help in the past, and not gotten it. In my book, this is his choice entirely, and no one else gets to say poop about it. He goes out of his way to talk to people all the time about these ideas, and many of us who talk to other people do report what we hear to him directly. The positives of rotation when you take it seriously far outweigh what should be considered a "defunct" banning system. We don't have new maps coming. To keep it fresh, it needs to shift around. As a consequence, it was entirely natural that some of the maps on the list the longest were the first to be rotated out.
Brad certainly does get props for taking on this responsibility, and I of course understand that in the past when he has asked for help he has gotten shockingly little help with it. I'll share in thanking him for being willing to do this job for us.