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Author: | hothie [ Sun Dec 23, 2007 11:05 am ] |
Post subject: | Force Powers vs Force Immunity |
I've always wanted a definitive list of what Force powers can and cannot be used against characters with Force Immunity. So here's what I have so far: First off, I'll start with the definition of Force Immunity as stated in the latest rulebook: Force Immunity: Other characters cannot spend Force points to affect this character, to reroll attacks against it, or to respond to its attacks and abilities. This character does not count for purposes of Force powers that affect multiple characters, such as Force Lightning or Shockwave-select a different character instead. Yes (These abilities boosts attacker's stats and abilities and do not specify targeting an enemy character) Aing-Tii Flow Walking Battle Meditation Blaster Barrage Control Minds Dark Temptation Dispassionate Killer Force Leap Force Valor Force Withdrawal Force Weapon Indiscriminate Rage Knight Speed Lightsaber Assault Lightsaber Precision Lightsaber Sweep Lightsaber Throw Master Speed Overwhelming Force Sith Rage Use the Force Whirlwind Attack No (Deal damage directly, avoid damage dealt by, specify targeting a character with, or apply some other effect to a character with Force Immunity) reroll saves or attacks Absorb Energy Dark Aura Dark Force Spirit 1 Drain Life Essence of Life Force Absorb Force Alter Force Blast Force Bubble Force Burst Force Defense Force Detonate Force Dominate Force Grip Force Heal Force Lightning Force Push Force Repulse Force Sense Force/Light Spirit Force Storm Force Strike Force Stun Force Thrust Force Whirlwind Illusion Jedi Mind Trick Levitation Lightsaber Block Lightsaber Defense Lightsaber Deflect Lightsaber Reflect Lightsaber Riposte Pawn of the Dark Side Sever Force Shockwave Sith Grip Sith Hatred Sith Hunger Sith Lightning Sith Sorcery Transfer Essence Unleash the Force Situational (These can be both Yes and No depending on the time the Force Power is used) Advanced Battle Meditation Force Meditation [Note: Both Advanced Battle Meditation and Force Meditation will work on boosting an ally's stats, but it will not hurt an enemy's stat/commander effect if they have Force Immunity] Force Corruption Shatterpoint [Note: Neither Force Corruption nor Shatterpoint will work on a character where Force Immunity is actually printed on the card. They will work on a character who does not have Force Immunity that round but at a later round gains it through Ysalamiri. After gaining Force Immunity, these abilties continue to affect the character.] ----- If any of you think these are wrong, please post and we can discuss, because I don't claim to know everything and could be wrong about some of these. I'm not interested in the "well this would never happen" aspect of some of these, just about whether it's legal to or not. |
Author: | Sithborg [ Sun Dec 23, 2007 11:53 am ] |
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Battle Meditation grants a CE, so it works against Force Immunity. Heal and Spirit can't be used with a Force Immunity character. Overwhelming Force affects the user's attacks, not the enemy. You cannot target a character with Force Immunity with Shatterpoint, but it doesn't go away if the target gains Force Immunity. |
Author: | hothie [ Sun Dec 23, 2007 5:10 pm ] |
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So Battle Meditation can be used against Force Immunity? Even though the CE affects enemy characters? Or, does only the ally part if the CE work, and not both parts of it? I mean, yes, it's a CE, but it's a CE gained from a Force Power, so I wouldn't think it would affect Force Immunty characters. |
Author: | Sithborg [ Mon Dec 24, 2007 12:28 am ] |
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Force Meditation (along with Control Minds and Force Valor), both grant CE's. That is it's only effect. The CE's granted are not considered a Force power, or affect other figs with a Force Power. |
Author: | Xanthan [ Sun Feb 10, 2008 5:24 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Force Powers vs Force Immunity |
What would happen if Revan uses Force Corruption on an Uggernaut and then the opponennt uses thrown to switch the corrupted uggernaut so that the corrupted uggernaut is within 6 squares of Thrawn and gains force immunity. Would the corrupted uggernaut then become un-corrupted cause of gaining force immunity? |
Author: | LoboStele [ Mon Feb 11, 2008 10:26 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Force Powers vs Force Immunity |
I believe that the Force Corruption would still affect the Uggernaut, since the Force Power was actually used while the unit did not have Force Immunity. Just because it becomes Force Immune later does not change the fact that the power was previously used. Immunity doesn't necessarily prevent a continuous effect, it just prevents it from starting. |
Author: | Xanthan [ Mon Feb 11, 2008 5:16 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Force Powers vs Force Immunity |
Thanks for the answer. |
Author: | Admiral Ace [ Tue Mar 11, 2008 8:04 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Force Powers vs Force Immunity |
I thought Corruption only worked against living enemies, and Uggernaughts are not considered living because they have mounted weapon. |
Author: | LoboStele [ Tue Mar 11, 2008 8:35 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Force Powers vs Force Immunity |
Bah...good call. I didn't think through that part of the question. You are correct. So, in the above example, replace 'Uggernaut' with 'Utapaun on Dactillion'. Then it makes sense. |
Author: | hothie [ Sun Mar 30, 2008 6:44 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Force Powers vs Force Immunity |
I guess with a new set out, an update is in order... Updated!! |
Author: | hothie [ Tue Aug 05, 2008 7:30 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Force Powers vs Force Immunity |
With the new set coming out, it seems all of the new Force abilities affect the force user, so no new powers to add to this list. Drain Life 3 (same as before, no) Eternal Hatred Force Cloak Lightsaber Throw 2 (same as before, yes) |
Author: | jedispyder [ Wed Oct 15, 2008 12:27 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Force Powers vs Force Immunity |
So far we haven't had any new FP in the new set, hoping we do have some... |
Author: | dalsiandon [ Wed Dec 03, 2008 1:31 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Force Powers vs Force Immunity |
this is a great list; I've never seen it complied so completly |
Author: | hothie [ Fri Dec 05, 2008 8:00 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Force Powers vs Force Immunity |
dalsiandon wrote: this is a great list; I've never seen it complied so completly Thanks Don. I hope it helps people out. Nothing new in Clone Wars, so nothing to add. |
Author: | hothie [ Sat Feb 28, 2009 5:44 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Force Powers vs Force Immunity |
Updated with Levitation and Lightsaber Defense. I would say you clearly can't levitate someone out of Thrawn's bubble, but I think you can levitate someone into it. I'll ask and find out. But for now I think you can, if they start outside of it. |
Author: | hothie [ Mon Jun 22, 2009 8:58 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Force Powers vs Force Immunity |
Looks like Force Blast is the only new Force Power that can be used against other characters, so an update has been completed. |
Author: | lonescout [ Mon Aug 31, 2009 4:26 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Force Powers vs Force Immunity |
I thought Force Repulse worked on Vong since it's a force power not targeting vong, but is rather an area effect (same with Unleash the Force). |
Author: | hothie [ Sat Dec 26, 2009 9:17 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Force Powers vs Force Immunity |
lonescout wrote: I thought Force Repulse worked on Vong since it's a force power not targeting vong, but is rather an area effect (same with Unleash the Force). It is dealing damage directly, so thus does not affect characters with Force Immunity. |
Author: | Jaster_Morano [ Sun Feb 28, 2010 12:01 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Force Powers vs Force Immunity |
Wouldn't they be immune to lightsaber throw 5 because it targets multiple? |
Author: | Sithborg [ Sun Feb 28, 2010 12:05 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Force Powers vs Force Immunity |
No. It affects the user's attacks, or abilit to make attacks. |
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